Which article do you agree or disagree with most, "Real Men Don't..." by August or "There is no Unmarked Woman" by Tannen? Why? Give at least three reasons. Do you think you can develop those reasons in Essay #1? To support your argument (reasons), what will you reference from the article you are reacting to?
What's your initial reaction to the Neo Futurists' parody of typical male and female conversation? Do you think there's any truth to it? Explain.
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In response to August, a lot of things can be applied to situations viewed from my male view point...such things as the ideal of strong tough unphased by unsettling comments...unacceptable to feel in a healthy manner...will saying that in a public forum make me [enter whatever homosexual derogatory comment here] since it is the accepted norm to disavow a man's emotional opinion as an expression of closeted homosexual tenancies?
i agree with tannen's article. women are constantly "marked" about everything from their make-up to their clothes to their hair. And the exact opposite is the case for males. I definitely feel that this would be a good topic for essay 1 and i intend on using it. in the essay i will reference all the main points which are seen in her article.
I really liked how August's article exposed the subconscious bashing of the male gender in language and society, but I feel like he did not mention the oppression of the female gender hardly at all. I feel as though both articles could create one single argument that there are negative connotations and subconscious judging of both males and females, which seems to be the real problem that August and Tannen are reviewing but do not admit it.
I think there is truth to both Tannen's and August's articles, but I think agree more with August because I think his argument applies to more situations than Tannen's, which is true in the situation she explains but not all the time.
August, I believe had a slightly stronger argument. The article brings up reverse-sexism in linguistics displaying that men themselves are victims of the same thing. Personally I feel that these subjects often times mean very different things to different people, it's all based upon individuals experience and and sensitivity to the subject. I agree however, with both Tannen and August that our current English language does stunt equality between sexes.
I agree with the article "There is no Unmarked Woman" because i believe that women are marked by their physical appearance. I believe that they always have to dress appropriately otherwise people will think or act differently towards them. Also i believe that women are always marked against and that they don't always have an equal opportunity in this world against men. There are certain jobs and careers that are more male dominant. My last reason is that i agree with the statement that women are marked against by marital status and by adding Ms. or Mrs. to their name. I can reference in my Essay that women are marked against in almost every aspect in life and men are more likely to be unmarked.
I agreed with the August essay. The first reason is that I do feel that society sets up the wrong idea of what men should be. In the article it says it raises them to be stupid, obedient, soldierly and unfeeling and I agree that if guys go against this sometimes they are called names like soft or sensitive. Secondly I feel that if this issue of so called name calling towards sensitive guys isn't solved then there could be more problems with self esteem or even suicide towards those sensitive males. The final reason I liked this essay is because I do think that guys are always wrongfully accused in crimes and women are just as qualified to commit them
In August's article he shows how men are pushed into a certain set of behavior that causes an anti-male bias in society and this holds some validity. In the article there are many points that I can agree with more than disagree. There is a certain expectancy of males to follow a certain 'tough' mindset that is held true throughout the English language. Demeaning words are often created only for males when females can exhibit similar behavior. August explains this concept very well and he also proves how these comments can cause a certain bias in personality and action. At the same time, males seem to have a certain role in society and these insults can help shape that role, but when is it going too far? August never really explains when the linguistics are uncalled for but there are many situations when that type of language is very unfair. August creates a very good premise for determining if some language creates an anti-male bias and he has many supporting ideas for his article.
I agree most with the article "Real Men Don't...". I feel that this is more relevant to me, as I am a male. I do feel that men get a bad rap, and often times are blamed to hastily. I also feel that men are forced to adapt to a standard that many may not be comfortable with, not all men want to be fighters and strong. Finally it seems that according to the bible man came first and woman was made from he rib of man. The way I see it, woman owe us a rib. I think I can support an essay out of the ideas written by August. I will reference his statements on feminists and his reference to the military and there male standards.
I find myself not leaning either direction. I think that both men and women are stereotyped as stated in each article. But, if I have to choose one I would say Tannen's article. Maybe because I am female I can relate more. I agree with the article because from personal experience I do find that women are often not taken seriously due to things such as appearance. If a male finds a woman attractive in a work force, at times, they do not look as much at what that woman may have to say or how she is doing her job. My mom is in a primarily male dominant field and she is not always valued as much for what she does on the job. Women are often also judged like Tannen said by the way that they would like to be addressed. Women i think are increasingly trying to take away having a Mrs, Ms, or Miss in front of their name because right off from that people make their own assumptions. I do think that I can develop the reasons into an essay using some of the specific examples that Tannen stated. Some of which i talked about above.
I agree with "there is no unmarked woman" by Tannen because I agree with there being a "norm" for men and no matter how women do their makeup, what they wear or how they do their hair they are put into a category or judged. It is not necessarily a bad thing in my opinion but I agree that they are "marked". The point Tannen states makes you think, the one that talks about a woman being marked by a Mrs. or Ms. in front of her name. Depending on that, you now what their status is but a man is unmarked because you don't know. Also the final point I agree wit is the one of women taking their husbands last name, and if they don't, they are also marked because its out of the norm. I certainly think I could develop these reasons. "Each of the women at the conference had to make decisions about hair, clothing, makeup, and accessories, and each decision carried meaning." - Tannen (pg. 411)
I'm really not sure which article I agree with the most thus far. I feel that they both make very strong points, but I think that they are weak with some reasoning. The fact that Tannen makes the remark that because a woman was wearing high heeled shoes at the conference she attended attracted many men, made the article seem less thought out. I did enjoy this article more than the other by August. I think this is because I am bias and know first hand about a woman's image. I believe that both articles state subjects of every day lives that will never change. Each issue has been dealt with for years and years and I think that this behavior is in the pure nature of humans. I think that with more deliberation, these articles would be a perfect topic and great references for essay #1. Supporting arguments should be no problem given the vast amount of information that both articles hand out.
I agree with August. I think that most people think that if a man don't live up to the standard task of what a "real man" is suppose to live up too he is considered weak. I don't think that is true at all. Just because a man can't play a sport most people think that he is not a man. Men are judged so easily in crime or rape that they did when on the other hand women can be just as guilt in doing so.
I believe that Tannen's article is very true about how women are always "marked" about things. Women are almost always looked at and judged by what they are wearing, how their hair looks, and how much or how little make-up they have on. Men on the other hand can just roll out of bed in the morning and throw on a sweatshirt and jeans and be good for the day. But I also don't totally agree with this article because as people get older the "judging" of people tends to lessen. I do believe that in the buisness world though, women are still judged harshly, compared to how men are judged or looked at by others.
I agree with August's article the most. August states that when a male goes against the norm he is out cast. Coming from personal experience I can relate to this. Being a singer and dancer as a male you have to put up with a lot of insults. I feel that males shouldn't have to fit in to what people think is the normal male. If a male would rather be a singer or a dancer than work as a construction worker then that should be his choice and people need to respect that. August says, "..., that real men don't cry, or that all men are rapist, the results are potentially dangerous..." I agree with this statement. It's not fair to men that they have to stick to what is normal. They should be able to act how they want to act and do what they want to do without being judged by other males. I believe i could develop these reasons into a pretty good essay.
I disagree with "Real Men Don't..." by August. First, I believe that men are at some fault for the anti-male bias in English. Throughout history, man has been the dominant of the sexes. From ancient times to this day, men have tried to be the more powerful between genders. The male gender has oppressed women for centuries and now we, meaning men, are paying for it. Women are equal being no matter how high we stack the cards. I didn't finish this post because I have a ton to talk about but I believe I can turn this argument into an essay with no problem. This is a very open topic in my mind.
In response to August's "Real Men Don't: Anti-male Bias in English", i completely agree with the information that he presented in the excerpt. I believe that men have been suppressed by the media in today's society mainly because it creates this facade that men cannot be the victims in any situation. "In the U.S. media, which is heavily influenced by gender feminism, language routinely excludes males as victims." (pg. 446) Men also cannot act soft, or gentle about anything, they have to act hard because of the way the English language has created this. I will use many of the points presented in August's excerpt, as references in my essay #1.
My feelings toward the papers are that they both have true to them, but from the female point of view I can relate more to Tannen's article. "There is no Unmarked Women" more. The reasons I relate more is some of her points are more apparent to me after dealing with them everyday such as the difference in clothes and hair styles between me and other young women around me everyday, the reactions I will sustain if I make a comment on how I feel men act a particular way in certain situations and also her comments on the traditional values that of women having to change their last names when married which usually isn't even endowed upon men. I think after some deeper studying in the subject that I could have a better understanding to be able to explain theses points myself. I would use the facts from the article to make it more of a easy read.
My initial reason of the parody of a typical male and female conversation is that it just sounds crazy and unsorted through. After listening again it did sound alot like me and my friend talking on a regular basis.
I agree with Tannen's article. No matter where women go they are constantly being judged on their appearance compared to men. For example, in celebirty magazines women are the only ones constantly judged if they are in sweats, or do not have makeup on. I definatly will use this article in essay.
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